Endings and What's Next with Danny Palestine

Ep 12: It's a full-circle moment here at Life Changing with Dori Fern. For this last episode of Season 1, I interviewed fellow life changer, Danny Palestine -- who once interviewed me on his podcast --  about navigating his own messy middle following a layoff, some major health news, and the birth of his son at the start of the pandemic. We talk about his sometimes-rocky career pivot, how he leans on his professional network for support,  and how hobbies soften rejection and empower him in the face of personal challenges. Find out what he has learned as someone navigating life at a very different stage of it from Dori.

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Ep 12: Endings and What's Next with Danny Palestine

[00:00:00] Dori Fern: We're, we're not gonna use any of this video, but we're just going to, uh, look cute for social media and

[00:00:07] Danny Palestine: That's what we do. 

[00:00:08] Dori Fern: talking to each other, and that's

[00:00:10] Danny Palestine: I

[00:00:10] Dori Fern: do.

[00:00:11] Danny Palestine: Should I,

[00:00:12] Dori Fern: you can gesture. You can gesture. 

[00:00:14] Dori Fern: Welcome to Life-Changing with Dori Fern. A podcast about the messy middle between when you hit pause and what comes next. I'm your host, Dori Fern.

[00:00:43] Greetings, listeners. If you're new to this podcast and listening because my guest today fellow life changer, Danny Palestine has a more robust social media presence than I do. Well, welcome to Life-Changing with Dori Fern. [00:01:00] I'm excited for you all to hear our interview. Danny is a delightful human.

[00:01:07] It was great to hear his thoughts on his own messy middle. As it turns out, you're coming here at the end of season one of the podcast. I'm really not sure what to do for season two or if I even wanna continue it, because when I started this show, I did so wanting to chronicle the process.

[00:01:33] the messy middle, as I call it, of shifting from one type of life, a good life, but one that just didn't feel very fulfilling to me in ways that I couldn't even put my finger on until I got some distance from it. Quit my job, yada yada. And you know what? It's more harmonious now. It really is. This deeply [00:02:00] cynical Gen Xer has successfully done what I've set out to do. 

[00:02:06] I built myself a new foundation for how I wanna live, and I learned a lot about myself in the process.

[00:02:20] Took a lot of forward steps in a variety of directions and I embraced imperfectly slow progress. Yay. Anyway, more on this after the interview. And if the show peaks your interest, please do go back and listen to earlier episodes. 

[00:02:37] Big news is that I started a new job. It's a six month gig doing content strategy for a new team within a large pharmaceutical company. The timing is perfection.

[00:02:52] I'll get a good salary with benefits no less without having having to tap into my savings as I [00:03:00] had feared that I might and I'll be working for. unless I don't want to, and then I have the option to work in an office, so that is amazing. 

[00:03:14] I've done a number of six month jobs in my consulting days, and they've always been my favorites because it's just enough time to settle in, get to know everyone, do some good work, solve some problems, look like a superstar if you do it right.

[00:03:32] and then skid that away on a high note , it's like, it's like the grandparents of employment opportunities. You swoop in, give some love and get some back, and then tap dance out there when the baby start crying. 

[00:03:46] I'm choosing to go with things. I'm just gonna try to be present for whatever happens during this new time of my life. Let go [00:04:00] of whatever positive or negative narrative spin I've put on my life as I've known it, and just, just show up. Wish me luck. Speaking of someone I wish well, I met Danny Palestine in July, 2019 when I was asked to be a guest on his company's influencer marketing podcast to talk about food influencers. I talked about food media and the need for more diversity and representation, which was entirely lacking three years ago, and I'm happy to say is not entirely lacking now.

[00:04:35] I had seen on LinkedIn that Danny had lost his job about six months ago, and then I started following these regular unemployment update posts he started doing, and one of them caught my eye . I've read so many LinkedIn posts lately that are so highly curated.

[00:04:53] They're, they're. To con convey, I don't know, quote unquote real life, but they come across [00:05:00] as manicured within an inch of their fleeting social media life. And Danny's posts were not. They were open and forthright and vulnerable and inquisitive qualities I've wanted to express on this podcast. So here's part of one quote.

[00:05:21] It's time to broaden my horizons. I recently had an insightful conversation with a respected HR leader, and he gave my career pivot to employee experience a solid reality check. What he said now feels so obvious it hurts. The likely reason I'm getting rejected is because I don't have direct HR experience.

[00:05:44] And that's exactly what they're looking for, regardless of transferable skills. So I'm pumping the brakes and changing my approach again.

[00:05:55] And I don't know, it just made me want to hear more about [00:06:00] this experience for Danny. So I immediately messaged him.

[00:06:05] Danny's LinkedIn bio, describes himself as low vision dad, husband, and hobbyist, seeking a new path. and I asked him if he would talk to me for this last episode of season one of the podcast, and it was a real full circle moment. The life changer interviewing another life changer in a different stage of the messy middle.

[00:06:28] Take a listen to my interview with Danny Palestine.

[00:06:39] Dori Fern: Danny Palestine, I have to tell you, this was such a beautiful way to start this interview. Me overhearing the past 10 minutes, you being the most incredible dad. First of all, it brought tears to my [00:07:00] eyes. You did not even know that you were on, and that. See and hear everything going on, and I wouldn't, I wouldn't even have told you any of this, if anything was the least bit scandalous.

[00:07:13] Danny Palestine: That's so funny. But it was not. Oh my. You are amazing.

[00:07:20] That's too funny. Just so you know, everything you were just talking about was just recording and now he's freaking out. It's totally cool. Totally cool. Hello? Messy middle. There's the family departing. Oh my goodness. Too funny, too funny, too funny, and really kind. 

[00:07:41] Dori Fern: You know, I'm just gonna pat myself on the back for knowing that this was gonna be a good conversation, Dale time.

[00:07:47] Danny Palestine: There you go. Right. 

[00:07:48] Dori Fern: I have to start by saying, you are a unique person in my life. Do you know why? 

[00:07:54] Danny Palestine: Tell me why. 

[00:07:56] Dori Fern: You are the only human being [00:08:00] that I have only ever spoken to on a podcast. 

[00:08:05] Danny Palestine: How about that? How about that? Were podcast people together. 

[00:08:10] We are exclusively podcast partners in, in, in that way that we are, because we met when from the podcast.

[00:08:20] When you doing podcast, 

[00:08:21] I don't want to, I'm gonna let you down. You're not my only podcast person though, obviously, because 

[00:08:27] Dori Fern: Well, I know that. 

[00:08:28] Danny Palestine: Right, right, right, right. I, I just don't want you to feel like, Cause I, I used the word exclusive in, you know, I get it. So I just wanna temper the exclusivity a little bit.

[00:08:38] Dori Fern: I fully understand that you were, you were getting around and, And at this point, you're not my only podcast Yeah. Person, but you were my first. 

[00:08:47] Danny Palestine: There we go. There we go. 

[00:08:49] Dori Fern: It was a good one too. 

[00:08:50] Danny Palestine: It was a good one. It was about the need for diversity and food. 

[00:08:55] Was that three years ago? Four [00:09:00] years? Something crazy. 

[00:09:01] Dori Fern: I wanna say that was probably three years. Doesn't matter. Nobody cares. Nobody's checking this. And how are your nasal passages? Are they good? 

[00:09:12] Danny Palestine: I want to say they're better. It's definitely not where I was dreaming. Yeah. I really wanted to just like have the full open airways 

[00:09:22] Dori Fern: and what's the surgery called?

[00:09:24] Danny Palestine: Why the deviated septum? The thing that separates your nostrils. Mine was like that. Got it. And I don't know, I had really high hopes. , it's better and I'll take any improvement. Cuz before it was just horrible. So yeah. 

[00:09:41] Dori Fern: I, I wish, Thank you for deep nasal breaths. I don't know what one says in that situation.

[00:09:47] Danny Palestine: Yeah, yeah. I, I like that. And I, uh, I appreciate that. Thank you. 

[00:09:52] Dori Fern: You're welcome. I had seen a while back that you had gotten laid off at Julius, where you worked [00:10:00] mm-hmm.

[00:10:00] correct? Mm-hmm. 

[00:10:00] I think it's a good, probably a good time to pause and just tell people who the heck Danny Palestine is. So Dan, what should people know about you? 

[00:10:09] Danny Palestine: Yeah, I think so Thank you for, for the intro. I think what people need to know about me is that I am a, as cheesy as it sounds, I'm a people person.

[00:10:21] I love people in the sense. I go to work every day not to do the work because the work has to get done, right? Like someone needs to type the thing to email the thing to the person to make the deck, to do the thing. I go to work every day because I want to connect with the people that I sit next to, and I want to make sure that they're feeling empowered.

[00:10:41] I wanna make sure that they're laughing. I want to make sure that they're telling the stories that they want to tell, because that makes 'em feel. And that's because I wanna build relationships with the people that I work with. 

[00:10:50] We're we, were, we are both marketers by the past however many years. Trade. and you are also looking to do something outside of [00:11:00] marketing. Yeah. What is that and why is that? 

[00:11:03] Hmm, big, big question.

[00:11:05] Dori, I got laid off in March and I was pretty quick to realize that I'm pretty done with influencer marketing. I've been doing it for a long, long time. And before that prs, I think that marketing to me, and I was working on a lot of big brands, right? I found marketing to a consumer group that I frankly don't know or didn't have a personal connection to, or maybe didn't have a passion for, or working on a brand that I didn't think that I really believed in, or certainly wasn't using myself.

[00:11:42] It felt hollow. It felt like I really wasn't finding myself working with purpose, but not for a purpose that I could hold onto and bring into my life and internalize and and love. And that was the missing piece I got laid off, which was [00:12:00] tough, but then I'm like, Well, challenge means opportunity and this is my chance to pivot.

[00:12:06] I really want to do something different. As you said, I want to get out of marketing, I want to try and flex those muscles and I have a lot of skills, right?

[00:12:14] So my gut reaction was HR people culture type. I'm like, Hmm, that makes a lot of sense to me.

[00:12:21] So I thought that there was a great opportunity for me there. I really, and, and as negative as it might sound like, I am not a live to work guy. I'm a work to live guy and I know that some people wake up every day, and my wife is one of, it's inspiring. It is inspiring to see my wife go to work every day and she crushes it and she loves it and she does it.

[00:12:46] I really want to make sure that my joy is in my relationships and not in the work. For me personally, I find joy in building that community. 

[00:12:57] Dori Fern: Why do you think it's better to be the other? [00:13:00] 

[00:13:00] Danny Palestine: Wait my way, or her, or like the, her way?

[00:13:03] So the thing is that, I think that we live in America and I think that we live in a society. 

[00:13:08] Dori Fern: I think, Yes, we do live's here to Yes, we do. Yeah. Yeah. Do, Yeah. Fact, we, sorry to tell you. We do. 

[00:13:14] Danny Palestine: And listen, I graduated from college to date, like in 2008, right when the recession was hitting and competition.

[00:13:21] Dori Fern: Wait, I'm sorry to date yourself. How old are you? 

[00:13:23] Danny Palestine: I know, I. People I know. Sorry, Dori, whatever. No, no. How, How old are you? I'm just, I'm 30. I'm 36. And you know, like I'm getting to that, that senior position and those senior roles. And I think that the context that I'm trying to portray is that out of college everybody was looking for the same jobs, and especially for this now older millennial generation, the competition isn't fun.

[00:13:47] Right? We are all out here trying to grind it out and get to that next. and I respect that. And I really, really do. And I remember talking to someone else who was on the [00:14:00] podcast about, uh, her life in her thirties and cuz I, I was turning 30 at the time, and she's like, thirties are better than your twenties.

[00:14:10] You're at a stage in your career where you're making a little bit more, you're literally, you're a little bit more in control of your destiny. And I'm like, I'm still figuring it. And I am envious of the people who have figured it out already. Or like my wife who woke up when she was 10 years old and knew that she wanted to be a clinical therapist.

[00:14:29] And you know what she's doing today, She's a clinical therapist and she's killing it. And I'm so proud of her and I feel like I'm in my mindset because I didn't wake up when I was 10 years old and knew exactly what I wanted to do. So I've had to force myself to find joy in other things besides the grind, you know what I mean?

[00:14:50] And I found that in the relationships that I have with my colleagues. 

[00:14:54] Dori Fern: Wow. We have a lot in common. I dunno if you got a chance to listen to any of the other episodes, but this is, this is [00:15:00] very familiar sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was married to a, a person who always knew what he wanted to do and uh, yeah.

[00:15:07] So it's taken me a while. I am 56 and I have no apologies, and I'm very happy for it. It gets better by that. 

[00:15:13] Danny Palestine: There you go. I started just applying, right? And for every application that I put in, I felt like I was getting rejected twice, you know, And they just kept on coming and coming and coming in.

[00:15:27] Dori Fern: How did you feel about the rejection? I, I, it sounds, kind of, sounds like a dumb question, but, 

[00:15:32] Danny Palestine: So listen, rejection sucks. Everyone hates rejection. Everyone wants to get the nod. What I find the most helpful to get through that rejection, frankly, is writing those LinkedIn posts. I knew that going into my unemployment and I said this to my wife, I just, I said to her, I'm like, My network is gonna come through.

[00:15:53] I saw, um, so much engagement from those posts [00:16:00] and every time I posted and people just came out of the woodwork. And so rejection didn't really gimme a ton of insights.

[00:16:07] Because I was applying to the same jobs and getting rejection and rejection and rejection, I'm like, Hmm. It just seems pretty blanket. Like I need to do something different and it's through my network that really helped me learn how to do this pivot. Maybe not so hard. 

[00:16:24] Dori Fern: I just wanna commend you because a lot of us, when we get that rejection, we spend a lot of time going down that rabbit hole of some form of self loathing. And I don't know how much time was between the rejection and the post, but, but I get this sense from you that you have this wonderful ability to not sit in that for a long time. 

[00:16:57] Danny Palestine: Yeah. Um, thank you for. [00:17:00] And I'm glad that comes across cause it is really important to me and, um, that, you know, I don't want to talk about this too much, but, you know, the layoff came right after a diagnosis that I got about losing my vision.

[00:17:15] I, I got a diagnosis that I'm just slowly gonna lose my vision over the over time. Um, which is tough to hear, especially as a new father, but, No cure, no nothing. And I'm, it's just like, what are you gonna do? Right? Like, what are you gonna do? And you know what they said? The only thing that they know that they think that might be a thing is to work out for 30 minutes a day.

[00:17:36] You know what I do? I work out 45 minutes a day. There's only so much data that you can get, um, and wallow in that data. And then there's a certain amount of like, be like, this is just my reality. No one's gonna make you apply to the job. No one's gonna make you go to the gym, no one's gonna make eat healthy.

[00:17:53] You gotta do it yourself. And I really just believe in that because my [00:18:00] wife has too much stress in her life, right? Like, my parents got stuff going on. Um, my son is two and a half. I can't rely on him. You know, so like it's gonna take me to just be my own advocate here. And again, rely on that network that I've been.

[00:18:15] Shout out to Sam Kimball. She inspired me with a quote that happiness is not a destination, it's the journey. it's true, right? Like you cannot just wait for the end to get here because like life is right now and I feel so cheesy and cringy talking about this, but it's so true.

[00:18:33] Right?

[00:18:34] Dori Fern: Oh, it's okay. And I've talked about how cringy all of this. Yeah. I have a podcast, Danny. Life-Changing with Dori, Fern. Well, it, it, it's, it's kind of built into the machine of this whole thing is those cringy things and the truth of them. 

[00:18:51] Danny Palestine: I don't want to paint a picture that my life has been challenging cuz I'm so privileged and insane. Right? Like we, I get that, but my family's been through some stuff [00:19:00] and I think that you learn how to set a barometer or I have learned how to set a barometer of, well, what sucks now and what can suck more.

[00:19:11] And with career stuff there were those days that I was putting in like 80 hours and weekends, right? Well, I'm not putting in 80 hours and weekends right now, so I'm okay. Life is okay. Life is good. 

[00:19:21] I have my friends, I have my community, I have my people. And I don't wanna present myself in a way that having this positivity is also innate, right? You gotta believe that when I got my vision diagnosis, I came home and cried, right?

[00:19:35] I sat here and just yelled at the wall. I was angry and I was scared, and it was a reality that you don't know how to deal with until you're dealing with it. People deal with it in different ways and I feel blessed that I was given an out in that they said to exercise. And I have so many hobbies, it's insane. I've been so good at channeling stress, [00:20:00] um, when I can cooking, painting, um, podcasting.

[00:20:05] When it was podcasting time, you know, like I think that, um, like I don't want to be on this podcast giving advice. Com compartmentalizing is such an important aspect of professional and personal growth. Um, that I don't have any tricks to do it. That is something that I will say comes to, 

[00:20:24] What do you mean by compartmentalizing?

[00:20:25] For a really long time, especially when I was at the agency, I. Really let my personal, my, my work stress bleed into my personal stress. And then I learned later how to channel that stress into new and different things.

[00:20:44] And so that's when I, instead of focusing all my energy at the agency into the work group, I came home and painted for two hours. Because I just needed to let out that energy and now I have this stress about like my eyesight and I just channel that into exercise [00:21:00] or I have this stress about what's going on with my son and I just channel that into cooking and making sure that things are clean.

[00:21:06] And I think that, you know, um, I just saw an article about how hobbies are diminishing the burnout rate for 2022, right? In a virtual first. today, there's never a better opportunity to take care of yourself and there are more hours in the day to find things that matter to you.

[00:21:26] Um, and that's what I try and do. I just try and find things that matter to me. 

[00:21:32] Dori Fern: So what I'm hearing is that you don't just remind yourself, Hey, I'm lucky. Hey, I'm privilege , it's more actions that shift to a happy place versus telling yourself, I don't have a reason to be upset or I don't. Right. 

[00:21:56] Danny Palestine: Yeah. I, I, I agree with that.

[00:21:58] I think idle hands are a [00:22:00] real thing for me. Like if I'm not doing something, I'm just like focusing on negative, negative. I need to give myself that catalyst to do exactly what you just said, and that's what's happening in the job hunt actually. So stress about being unemployed, very focused and centered in my face. And I just channel that into networking, right? 

[00:22:18] And that that is that joy that I feel like I'm making progress. Um, and so throughout my networking I connected with, uh, people leader in this space and like, this guy's gonna help me, right?

[00:22:28] Like he, Eric, Erics like, shout out to you. He kind of gave me the kick in the pants to be like, Hey, you're not going to get these HR. You're not gonna get these people rules and that's because you don't have any experience doing people in hr.

[00:22:43] And I'm like, Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm not gonna get any kind of, set me on the path to look more for internal comms. And what I like about that is that it is not marketing, but it mar. The concepts that we were talking about in [00:23:00] terms of strategy and positioning and all that stuff, and measurement against the thing that I love most, which is building relationships with my colleagues.

[00:23:09] And so I am finding now that there is a place for me, it just took me a longer time to get there than I thought. honestly Dori, the most important thing to me right now is benefits, is health coverage and vision. Health and like that stuff. The flexibility of work from home, you know? If I'm not gonna be able to drive, I can't drive anymore. So I really need, I'm, I'm so many silver linings come outta the pandemic.

[00:23:38] Obviously a tragedy for the entire world, but like the remote life thing as a low vision person has really been miraculous. Fortunately, I'm privileged enough to be okay with a two income household. Um, and I just need to take care of my family with the insurance stuff.

[00:23:56] Dori Fern: Your son was born during the pandemic? 

[00:23:59] Danny Palestine: Oh, yeah, [00:24:00] at the start. Oh, right. Did the start of the pandemic February, 2020, Correct. There you go. He was born February, 2020. Pandemic hit March. So we, uh, we weren't planning on going anywhere anyway, but, uh, you know, it was scary having to put on a backpack and run around Brooklyn looking for a formula.

[00:24:19] His name is Jake. Cut is a button. Lovely. But, um, you know, that's something else, you know, he, uh, we're trying to take care of him and, you know, it's been, that's another thing that I'm looking for in, in a job is like someone who will understand that I have a son that has needs that my wife and I need to.

[00:24:38] Day in and day out, uh, with childcare. We, we haven't found a daycare or anything like that for him yet. I'm looking for a company that values me and everything that I got going on and know that I can just like, get things on, need to get done, but also need to take care of my family.

[00:24:52] Dori Fern: Right. And, uh, and we, we don't have to talk about this at a great, at a great length. I, I feel like [00:25:00] anyone listening is going to hear like, what's so special about your child's needs. Yeah. And so I, I think it's worth saying that there are particular needs. Yeah. You don't have to go into anything. Yeah, no, no.

[00:25:08] Talk about it, but yeah. Whatever you're comfortable with. 

[00:25:11] Danny Palestine: Yeah. I, I'll say this, He, he's in all the, the therapies, you know, the, we, we, we spend a lot of time, his best friends are his therapist and his grandmothers . Um, so it, uh, you know, It's, it's a, it's a balancing act between my wife and I. He, he's a joy to be around, but it is not just like, drop your kid off at daycare.

[00:25:37] It is, he's home with us and we're taking care of him and just baton passing him for the rest of the day and working with him to get him up to speed. And so, um, hope someday you get to. . 

[00:25:52] Dori Fern: Yeah, same here.

[00:25:53] I wanna thank you for being messy in this experience, [00:26:00] because people need to see modeled the messy experience of change. 

[00:26:08] Danny Palestine: Yeah, I agree. 

[00:26:09] Dori Fern: And to have you on, as somebody who has been going through that in your life, it just feels like a full circle moment in where I started this podcast and being that person.

[00:26:24] Just kinda letting it out there and I'm so glad that you agreed to be my guest here. 

[00:26:29] Danny Palestine: Yeah, my, my pleasure. I I love that, you know, the messy transition. Like, it, it's just like, cuz it's never gonna be squeaky clean, like, it's just never, it's just not reality. So I love that. 

[00:26:41] Dori Fern: Danny, thank you so much. I wish you all the best.

[00:26:46] Danny Palestine: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 

[00:26:47] Dori Fern: And it, it's been a pleasure to get to know you a little bit Better pleasure. Maybe one of these days we'll do something other than podcasting with each other. But you know what, if this were this,

[00:26:56] Danny Palestine: were just podcast buddies, that's fine too. 

[00:26:58] Dori Fern: Wouldn't be so bad. , [00:27:00] thank you. 

[00:27:01] Danny Palestine: My pleasure. My pleasure. 

[00:27:03] Dori Fern: You take care and best of luck with everything.

[00:27:05] There you have it. My talk with the truly lovely Danny Palestine. 

[00:27:15] Season two. Season two. I'm not gonna make any decisions right away, you know? I don't wanna do this anymore because this is moving into a different this and it feels like I just, I wanna talk about something else and I could, I guess, share my experiences with coaching with you, and maybe I will.

[00:27:48] It all really kind of depends on, One thing I don't really understand is I know who is listening to my podcast in general [00:28:00] because it's a very small number of people right now, and they're mostly people who know me or who are friends of friends. It's not all of my closest friends. There are a couple of my closest friends who listen, who I.

[00:28:16] Dig the way I talk and what I talk about, even if they wouldn't listen to other similar types of, I, I don't even know what a similar type of podcast is. Is it self-help? I don't know. I guess so, but I don't listen to self-help podcasts. It's not really my thing. I like interview podcast. Generally speaking, maybe I should do.

[00:28:38] So I don't know. But of course, partially it's, what do I have to say that's going to influence it? But I do wanna understand better what people like about this podcast.

[00:28:49] Some people I know like listening to my voice, which is very flattering and lovely, but you wouldn't keep listening if I wasn't saying something that you cared to hear. [00:29:00] So reach out to me. Let me know what you like about the podcast and what you might wanna hear from me moving forward.

[00:29:08] I do have a friend who had a very strong opinion that I should do a segment at. Likely at the end of whatever podcast I do called Ask the Food Coach because she and many other people in my life do always come to me with questions about why is this dish not turning out? So in her she was trying to figure out why when she made her late aunt's recipe for chopped liver, why it wasn't coming out like her aunt's recipe. So I said, , are you cooking it till you cooking the liver until it's pink in the middle? And she said, yes, because of course those of us now, that's how we cook our liver.

[00:29:59] We don't [00:30:00] cook it until it's cooked, until into our life. So I said, Well, that's probably the issue because your aunt certainly cooked it till it was well done. So that was like a light bulb and she made it that way and it was, it was just right. So I do, I do tend to, Kind of intuitively about things like that.

[00:30:19] Plus, I, I do know a little something about cooking. I have another friend who texted me the other day with a picture of a pepper that was in her CSA box, and she didn't know if it was hot or not or what to do with it, so I sent her some ideas. Um, including cut it open and put your tongue to it and that will tell you if it's hot or not.

[00:30:41] The first podcast I ever wanted to do. I just wanted to talk to people, a variety of people about what they had eaten that day. Cuz I really do believe that what people eat is a reflection on who they are and says so much about. in addition [00:31:00] to all the other things that are true about them.

[00:31:03] So maybe I'll go back to something like that. So I don't know. It was interesting when I was doing some homework for my coaching course.

[00:31:14] I hate to tell you, it's called a intention setting worksheet. I think you know me well enough by now that I do sort of cringe and I, I didn't think it was something I had to do, but some of my fellow classmates told me I did. It's very long and it's been kind of a grind getting through it, but I have been really interested to note that the area of my life, you know, you're looking at your emotional state, your physical, your emotional, your relationships, your social, and you're rating them based on how your spiritual life, like how you feel about. right now. So one of, for example, one of the things is how do you feel about [00:32:00] how much you pray?

[00:32:01] And I wrote a 10 because I am really totally fine that I don't pray at all. It's not a thing I care about. I have a spiritual life, I like to think, but it does not manifest through prayer in any conventional way. So I was really interested to see that it was in the physical area of my life that I had the highest self ratings.

[00:32:28] So things like body image and aging, you know, all these, these aspects of who we are as physical beings, how well we eat are overall health image, body image, all that stuff. And I really feel pretty good about myself in that. and I really have for a long time, maybe not as good as I feel right now, but this was interesting and illuminating to me.

[00:32:57] So some, that's something for me to consider [00:33:00] as I think about the kind of coach that I want to be. But anyway. These are things I'm thinking about. If you have any thoughts on any of this, I think you all know how to reach out to me.

[00:33:12] I'm at Dori Fern at Instagram. at Life-Changing with Dori Fern is the podcast handle . You can message me there. I'm Dori Fern on LinkedIn. I suppose if you messaged me on Twitter, I would see it eventually, even though I'm not really on Twitter and I probably need to do something about that if I want people to listen to my podcast because it is a platform that I'm under utilizing in that way. I was an early adopter of Twitter, and I have not a small number of, not a great number of followers, but more than I have on other social media because I was on there so early.

[00:33:54] But I really, I, I, I'm not a good, I'm not a good [00:34:00] tweeter and I find the whole platform kind of overwhelming anyway, but you can reach out to me there and I will probably get it. If you haven't listened to the podcast in full, please do. I'm proud of it. It's one person's story of change, and it's me.

[00:34:20] It really is. It's me. So I hope you listen. I hope you like it. If you do like it, please rate it, put a review, follow the podcast. On Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, and I'm wishing you all well have a great fall into winter. I'm not sure when I'll be back, but when I do, if I do, I'll be sure to let you all know. Take care. Thank you for listening to Life-Changing with Dori Fern.

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